……..PALIN!!!
Posted on September 2, 2008
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Fearing that McCain would exercise his ‘maverick’ bona fides by selecting Joe Lieberman as his VP - as the media had insisted - I cheered when he instead picked Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. I’ve withheld comment since I didn’t know her any better than anyone, but since the left is desperately comparing the top of its ticket to the Republican second, two things stand out:
1. She made her way to the top by fighting the corruption in her own party, even taking on the doctor of pork, Senator Ted Stevens. Obama made it to the top by embracing the corrupt Chicago machine, including terrorist William Ayers and felon Tony Rezko.
2. And nothing reveals the character of the two more than these quotes:
We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support. Sarah and Todd Palin
And:
If [my daughters] make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. Barack Obama
Sarah Palin is emphatically authentic, exactly who Michelle Obama pretended to be in her DNC speech. And it’s driving the left nuts.
I. Just. Love. Her.
UPDATE: Watched her acceptance speech, and have changed my mind.
Now I really love her.
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Um, actually she was the director of a committee to raise money for the re-election of the “doctor of pork.”
voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html
You’ve been duped and the wheels are coming off. But if you really like her, you can just join the Alaskan Independece Party (Palin is a member), secede from the union and make her your queen. Good luck with that!
What I ‘love’ about her is her take on family values: back to work three days after delivery!?!?! WTF?
So what did I tell my boss today: I will see you 12 weeks after my delivery! (And I’d take more if my job was protected)
Let the circus continue…
I’m curious…where did you find the Obama quote?
http://www.wasillaag.net/2008.html
great…God’s plan is for us to extract every last natural resource from Alaska and when the end is near we all need to flock to Alaska and be saved…sorry..she and her pastor sound a bit strange to me.
Dear God,
Save me from your followers!
bearlee
How do McCain and the Republicans continue to argue that Obama lacks experience? Seriously?! I agree that Obama’s experience is thin, but hers in much thinner. Don’t even think to say that 2 years as Governor counts for a lot. And the way Republican talking heads are trying to justify her is absolute desperation.
McCain drops and she’s president, god help us all.
Obama quote since I couldn’t believe the line either but here it is http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0803/29/bb.01.html
Put the quote into google and you will get more hits.
Just watched the 2008 graduation speech…OMG…God’s will to build a pipeline? God’s will to be in Iraq? Come one now, Mr. Kempe, any of this concern you? Is this going to be her foreign policy?!
>Um, actually she was the director of a committee to raise money for the re-election of the “doctor of pork.”
In logic, Mitch, that’s known as ‘denial of the antecedent’, a fallacy. (If P, then Q. Not P. Therefore not Q.) Having been chair of a 527 pac in 2003 in no way precludes her having stood up to Steven’s pork and corruption.
Which she did.
>I’m curious…where did you find the Obama quote?
Well, from Obama.
Here’s the YouTube.
>How do McCain and the Republicans continue to argue that Obama lacks experience? Seriously?!
Seriously? Because he does. He’s great at saying what he’s going to do; Palin’s great at actually doing.
In two years as governor she’s put through ethics reform; vetoed pork; sold the state’s private jet and travels by commercial airline and private car; taxed the oil companies on windfall profits from $100/bbl oil, putting the money back in the pockets of Alaskans; and fought for drilling in the ANWR. That’s why she has an 80% approval rating.
What, exactly, has Obama done?
>Just watched the 2008 graduation speech…
Have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Oregonlive provided some links. One of which is to the speeches of Pastor Ed Kalnins of the Wasilla Assembly of God Church in which Sarah Palin grew up. Click on 2008 Sermons to reach a June 8, 2008 graduation speech that Palin gave.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/09/
links_to_the_controversies_sur.html
The decision to pick Palin was made in 5 days. I think you knew as much about her as McCain did! The ultra conservatives didn’t want a pro-choice VP which left out McCain’s first and second pick, now the guy is left with Palin?!?! Who’s only foreign policy experience is that she governed frontier land in Alaska. But then look at W’s foreign experience…oh, yeah, look at the mess it got us in…the GOP must be giving her a crash course in history and conflict, heck of a lot to cover in a few short months.
So how do feel about her going back to work three days after her child, a Down’s baby no less, was born…family values? Those first months are vital for bonding, growth and development. It sickens me to think that she CHOSE to do this.
The GOP could have a done a heck of a lot better…talk about losing momentum. Can’t wait to see the next poll.
>So how do feel about her going back to work three days after her child, a Down’s baby no less, was born…family values? Those first months are vital for bonding, growth and development. It sickens me to think that she CHOSE to do this.
Do you, Bearlee, as a mother nearly of two, have any concept of family? I’m a dad who lives and would gladly die for my two girls: does it occur to you there are two parents? (And, in this case, four elder siblings.) Todd took a leave of absence from his job to take care of the kids; did you see the love he had for that baby as he held him tonight? Is paternal bonding insignificant? Are you so ideologically obtuse that you’re willing to put a steel plate over the glass ceiling, claiming women simply aren’t capable of doing the job of men because they have children??
Because he’s so loved - because he’s still alive instead of flushed down a drain - Trig is going to have an exemplary life, even if - especially if - his mother becomes president.
Wow, talk about spin. You really could not have taken Obama’s quote more out of context. From the transcript:
“SNOW: Welcome back to CNN’s edition of BALLOT BOWL. This is a chance for you to hear directly from the candidates. I’m Mary Snow in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, where Senator Barack Obama is holding a town hall meeting right now, taking questions from the audience. Let’s go to straight to Senator Barack Obama. He just was asked a question about how his administration, if he’s elected, would deal with the issue of HIV and AIDS and also sexually transmitted diseases with young girls. Here’s Senator Barack Obama.
OBAMA: — or we give them really expensive surgery and we don’t spend money on the front end keeping people healthy in the first place. So when it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include — which should include abstinence education and teaching the children — teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include — it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I’ve got two daughters, 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals.
But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at the age of 16. You know, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information. You still want to teach them the morals and the values to make good decisions. That will be important, number one. Then we’re still going to have to provide better treatment for those who do have — who do contract HIV/AIDS because it’s no longer a death sentence, if, in fact, you get the proper cocktails. It’s expensive. That’s why we want to prevent as much as possible.”
Barack was advocating abstinence but, recognizing that some teens will still have sex (duh), was also advocating education about contraception so as to PREVENT teen pregnancy and STD’s. It is clear to anyone that reads the quote in context that when Obama said, “But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby”, he meant that if they make the mistake of having casual sex he hopes that they will at least have the knowledge and judgment to use contraceptives so that the casual sex does not result in them becoming pregnant or getting an STD. Wouldn’t any parent wish for that? What you’ve done is imply that Obama said that if one of his daughter’s became pregnant at a young age he would want her to have an abortion and would not support her if she decided to keep the baby. Which is entirely unfounded and untrue.
Jon …
First, thank you. In a medium where most hide behind pseudonyms, I appreciate the fact that you’ve used your name.
Second, I couldn’t disagree more. “Punished with a baby …” requires a mindset, not context.
Jeff,
What requires a “mindset” is the willingness to distort the meaning of Obama’s words to fit your politics.
Try reading Obama’s statement again without your partisan blinders on.
“So when it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include — which should include abstinence education and teaching the children — teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include — it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I’ve got two daughters, 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals.
But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.”
In the above statement Obama clearly indicates that he believes that the first line of defense against the spread of HIV/Aids and teen pregnancy is abstinence education and teaching children that sex is not something casual. But he also indicates that he believes that teens should be provided with information about contraception. Why? Because like most Americans he recognizes that abstinence education will not prevent some teens from having sex and he wants to PREVENT teen pregnancies and the spread of HIV/AIDS.
Palin states that she is proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby. I don’t imagine that she is proud of Bristol’s decision to have sex at the age of 17, outside of wedlock, and unprotected.
Obama could have said it better and I’m sure wishes he had. But you taking offense because he said that he wouldn’t want one of his daughters to be punished by a baby if they made the mistake of having casual sex is ridiculous. This country needs to focus on the real issues facing it instead of political correctness.
To anyone reading the transcript without partisan blinders on Obama’s intent is clear - he would prefer that his daughters practice abstinence until they are older and are in committed relationships. However, he hopes that if they do have sex before then that they use contraceptives so they don’t become pregnant or get an STD. What part of that do you have a problem with?
Not long ago O’Reilly and other conservatives were blaming Jamie Spears’ teen pregnancy on a lack of control by her parents. Now they are rallying behind Palin and saying that it is nobody’s business that Palin’s 17 year old daughter is pregnant. What hypocrites. Personally, I don’t believe the fact that her 17 year old daughter is pregnant makes her unqualified to be Vice President (although I believe there are many other reasons she was a poor choice) but the hypocrisy that is being displayed amuses me.
You are so right, Jeff, I know NOTHING about mothering. You figured me out. What the f*&%K was I thinking…those mammary glands and all…gee. I also seem to know nothing about communication cuz I sure as hell would have told my spouse in person that I was chosen as VP candidate instead of telling him, ‘hey, watch the news, I have a great 20th anniversary gift for you’. Kind of like when she was elected governor and was asked about the family. She said her husband would quit his slope job and stay home with the kids. Funny thing is, she didn’t discuss that with HIM and turns out SAHDad was not his thing.
Yep, I know nothing, Jeff. And if you can’t see the difference between mothering and fathering, yes, there is a deep biological difference, then I worry about your wife and the women in your life.
I guess to give you a real life example to think about…how many teenage moms do you see taking care of their kids vs. teenage dads. From my personal experience, the guys seem to run, and even deny parentage.
Wow, it’s amazing how the conservatives have flipped on this topic.
bearLeigh (does that make it easier for you?)
Jeff, I should cut you some slack given your background in shoe sales and mine in sciences and healthcare. But, I’m not gonna. Maybe it’s a discussion you can have with your wife?
>What requires a “mindset” is the willingness to distort the meaning of Obama’s words to fit your politics.
Jon, you’re twisting yourself in knots trying to make the case that “I don’t want my daughters punished with a baby…” really means he wants them to exercise abstinence so they don’t get STDs. What did that great orator once say? “Words matter.”
Here’s the mindset: Those who are pro-abortion - I suspect that would include you but Obama managed to speak and vote against a bill that would have protected the life of a child still alive after a botched abortion - look at a pregnant woman and see one person on whom judgement and consequence are weighed. That allows “…punished with a baby …” to naturally flow without a second thought.
Those of us who are anti-abortion see two people, each of whom is entitled to equal protections. Again, as the father of two daughters with the same fears that all parents have, “…punished with a baby …” is so jarring, so emphatically anti-child, that it could never possibly enter the lexicon.
Bearlee, it’s ceased to astound me how the left is reduced to unhinged ad hominem argument when out of anything substantive to say. You’ve been confronted with a seriously, seriously strong woman who you’d be championing if she’d only killed her downs child and were running on the Democrat ticket.
Stay away from the lefty sites, Bearlee. Not only are you getting bad information, it’s supremely unattractive.
Too funny, I got my info off of about 5 different Alaskan motherhood support sites. We moms like to stick together and support each other through the challenges of balancing motherhood and careers. And websites are great for that. The recent events have made for great conversations and forces each of us to look at our own values and what we would do if faced with certain circumstances.
Given that polls say 2 in 5 people say that moms should stay home with the kids, you know, the traditional conservative values, you have to admit Palin’s choices fly in the face of Focus on the Family folks.
>Given that polls say 2 in 5 people say that moms should stay home with the kids, you know, the traditional conservative values…
You’re mistaken, Bearlee, and are proving my point.
The left paradigm is that there is no dad; the most strident, in fact, prefer it that way.
Traditional conservative values - trust me in this - hold that children shouldn’t be dumped in day care as if one’s kenneling a pet. Nurturing comes from both parents, and if there’s a dad home there’s nothing lost.
No Dad?!?!? Wow, I have yet to meet one of those liberals. You have fallen off your rocker, sir.
Jeff,
I’m not the one twisting myself in knots. The quote from Palin is about her supporting her 17 year old daughter’s decision to have her baby. It was preceded by this sentence:
“Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned.”
Sure sounds like she wishes Bristol hadn’t become pregnant at such a young age to begin with. Does that mean that she hates babies and doesn’t respect the sanctity of life? Of course not, yet that’s what you want people to believe about Obama.
By taking Obama’s quote out of context and comparing it to Palin’s you disingenously imply that Obama would want his daughters to get an abortion if they became pregnant at 17. That’s not what he said. Again, read the whole quote. He was saying that he hopes that they practice abstinence but that if they make a mistake and have casual sex he wants information about birth control to be available to them. The two quotes are apples and oranges. There is nothing in Obama’s quote that leads me to believe that if one of his daughter’s became pregnant at 17 and decided to have the baby that he would not support her decision.
If you want to debate actual policy rather than focus on soundbites, lets do it. Obama believes that information about contraceptives should be part of sex education classes. According to this poll - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1622610 - 82% percent of Americans agree with him. What is McCain’s position on this issue? Even he doesn’t seem to know - http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/mccain-stumbles-on-hiv-prevention/.
By the way, I am in no way “pro-abortion.” I believe that we should do everything we can to stop unintended pregnancies from happening.
>No Dad?!?!? Wow, I have yet to meet one of those liberals. You have fallen off your rocker, sir.
Heh. “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” You need to get out more, Bearlee.
But if you want deranged: As I was walking into the house I saw - and heard! - a woman apparently talking into her bluetooth because she was flailing her arms and almost screaming: “Sarah Palin is an end of lifer!! As a Jew she wants my skin burned off me!”
That, Bearlee, is leftwing nuts…
Jeff,
I think what BearLeigh was referring to in regard to traditional roles is America pre late 60’sI may be a little older than you I recall the days when women went to college to find a husband. Lucky for me, I found a wife who also wanted a career. But when it came to having children, the thought of me staying home didn’t even enter my mind and if it did then next thought would be, “We could never survive on my wife’s teaching salary.” Up and down our street I do not recall one stay at home father. In fact, after our two kids started school my wife went back to teaching and I think she might have been to only working mother on our block.
That is what is traditionally thought of, in my opinion.
As for Todd Palin, I worry about him. He is the all-American outdoorsman. He owns a commercial fishing boat based out of Bristol Bay which he works in the summer and he also works the North Slope, one week on, one week off. And he is a professional snowmobiler.
Something tells me tha with his wife’s demanding job and his schedule, the kids were ‘kennelled’ in your words, or they were lucky enough to have family or friends helping out.
Maybe we Lake Oswego folks have it easy…enough money for the nanny, enough money for the wife to stay home, enough for the housekeeper and gardener…
If you were Todd Palin would you relocate to Washington, DC for 4 years?
Nope, sure don’t need to get out more if that is what I am missing out on! Reminds me of a relative who, soon after 9-11, had her gas pumped by an Arabic looking man. She said he gave her a strange look and she was freaked out for weeks after that…people can get really funny thoughts in their heads, huh? Any goofy folks on the far right or does the liberal sector have to take credit for all of ‘em?
Palin fighting Steven’s Pork by keeping the money for the “bridge to nowhere” to use on other projects of the state’s choosing. Yep, she’s fighting the good fight…. Oh yeah, she said she sent the money back which turned out to be a lie. Oh well.
Whoops! Michael! You forgot some: Trig is really Bristol’s son; Palin tried to ban a book list at the Wasilla library; she had an affair; and, of course, Palin’s a horrible mother.
There are several stories this morning regarding the left’s hysteria over Sarah Palin’s enormous popularity. It’s hurting…the left.
Zogby: McCain/Palin up 4.
Jeffrey,
You said:
She made her way to the top by fighting the corruption in her own party, even taking on the doctor of pork, Senator Ted Stevens.
She accepted the pork and supported the “bridge to nowhere” before it was popular to be against it. Simply put you are mistaken that she got “to the top by fighting corruption”.
I never made mention of her personal life, I don’t understand your attacks on me. Let’s stick to facts please.
Jeff,
Palin keeps mentioning this jet she sold on ebay in protest to government waste. How much did it go for? Just curious.
Jack
Can’t wait for the interviews and debates to begin so we can get a better picture of her and her policies.
“She accepted the pork and supported the “bridge to nowhere” before it was popular to be against it.”
Sounds like a flip flopper to me… Does she know if she was in Cambodia or Vietnam during Christmas of 1968?
The telling sign is that she’s not talking to the media beyond reading prepared speeches. At no point thus far has the allowed any open questions.
Before the FNM, FRE bailout she said they had to take action as they had got to big and were costing the taxpayer too much money - when they were privately held companies and didn’t cost the taxpayer a dime.
She’s just simply not qualified, and that’s why she’s not being allowed to talk to the press.
Not that it matters - both sides are as bad as each other with differing corporate sponsors - there will be no real change no matter who’s elected.
>She’s just simply not qualified, and that’s why she’s not being allowed to talk to the press.
Good grief. Et tu, Git? You’ve bought into the hysteria?
I’ll make this a full post soon, but the Obama campaign and all its surrogates are in complete meltdown over the Alaskan Governor, viciously attacking her with lies and silly hypotheses. [Although, come to think of it, she is cleaning their clock pretty much every day.]
Please understand there are those of us - and the number is growing - who think she’s infinitely more qualified and has many more accomplishments than the top of the Democrat ticket. I’ve only read the transcripts, but it seems Charlie Gibson is the one who comes off the doofus in his interview of her - is he one of the press she’s not allowed to talk to? - especially in his ‘gotcha!’ attempt to try to make her come off a Christian zealot.
In the meantime her Democratic counterpart is busily asking a paraplegic to stand to acknowledge the crowd and claiming Hillary would have been a better pick (she emphatically would have), ignored by the Charlie Gibsons in favor of the latest Kos rumor that Palin is actually the father of Trig…
Jim …
The jet was put on Ebay for $2.5 million; it was eventually sold by an aircraft broker for $2.1 million.
And for those of you still mewling ‘She lied! She lied!’ about the Bridge to Nowhere, here’s the complete story.
‘Cmon, can you really see Palin sitting with the Iranian president discussing nuclear weapons? I don’t think so. On one network I saw her described as “trailer trash” - fits her to a “T”.